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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast uh special update today looking

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forward to speaking and welcome back

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regular guest lieutenant tim mcmillan

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tim welcome back to the podcast hey andy

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what's going on man it's great to be

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yes and we're looking forward to

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discussing your

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bombshell articles probably a cliched

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term by this point isn't it but um it

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dropped and caused quite a stir this was

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on the debrief.org sex lies in ufos the

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pentagon's head of counterintelligence

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and security ousted um i'm going to

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stress from the offset well to me and

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many the ufo subject is as serious as it

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comes and there were several other

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serious aspects to this article

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including allegations of sexual

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misconduct among other things but the

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podcast here we focus on the ufo topic

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so if there are other aspects of the

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article that people think i never

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dug into enough then that's not what i'm

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really looking to discuss not that these

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things aren't serious but they still

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might come up within the general topic

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of the conversation so just for anyone

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who thinks i'm avoiding certain things

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there i would encourage people to go and

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read the article themselves and

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obviously make up their own minds and so

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the article dropped tim on april 14th

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the link is in the description to this

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show um and you said yourself online

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this was the culmination of a two-year

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investigation take me back two years and

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how did this begin for you

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sure and yeah i mean you you hit the

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point good there that there is a lot of

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factors that are in play here besides

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one of these events where all everything

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it may be even over two years now um you

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know people that i knew

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in the intelligence and defense

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community you know totally separate from

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the ufo topic anything like that uh have

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been talking about this individual gary

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enforcement that is the whole title um

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but it's an extremely powerful position

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senior uh dod official for

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enforcement worldwide so i mean very

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very powerful position arguably you know

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principles like the secretary of defense

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these people because they come and go

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people had expressed significant

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concerns about this individual to me

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and again these are people that i've

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known for years you know from the past

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life of law enforcement in that world or

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this is something that should be brought

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largely because they felt like the

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official systems that were in place had

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the individual was getting away

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and allowed and condoned behavior that

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it should be unacceptable in a workplace

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a hostile work environment you name it

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sexual harassment inappropriate sexual

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relationships that kind of stuff because

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describing a really hard environment and

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so a people shouldn't have to put up

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as a us citizen you know we're supposed

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to hold our officials accountable and

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it's hard for

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the government to do their job

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effectively if the employees feel

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tormented and so

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freedom of the press trying to make

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things better through shining light on

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it and so i started looking into it in

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that regard and it wasn't

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i mean he was months into it um

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did i because for this whole time you

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what was going on with ufos and the

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pentagon and everything

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intelligence office i knew that luis

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elizondo had come out of that office but

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i had always assumed that his last

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position which was national special

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programs management wouldn't have

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thought i don't know why and whether i

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just didn't think of it enough i assumed

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that that would have fallen under a

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different compartment of usdi and that

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gary reid wouldn't have been his boss

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in interviewing uh elizondo on another

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for another article i just mentioned hey

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you know him and that's when he revealed

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that was his direct boss and in fact uh

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this was the person who was executive

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secretary you know the ultimate person

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the uap task force and the later uap

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but described that he this was an

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individual who had really made played

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hell on his life since leaving

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contradictory statements that have come

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out from uap about him his role a tip

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and everything and so i started

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following up that

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and lo and behold you know was able to

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find people that would corroborate that

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and then also even document evidence

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like uh i mentioned in the article the

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the air force special investigations

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report where you're looking at it going

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yeah this doesn't make sense this

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absolutely corroborates what he

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what elizado is saying and other people

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are saying that

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uh this person is targeting elizondo

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he's intentionally trying to go after

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him and uh using administrative

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terrorism a term i used many months ago

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that maybe makes more sense to people

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they put this individual in charge of

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the afghan refugee crisis group which

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who remember those scenes last august

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you know some of them really disturbing

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scenes of people hanging on to the

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landing gear of plane you know

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at other people

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who worked in special operations that

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really were expressed he was highly

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emotional they were really upset

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they they felt that he him

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78 000 uh afghan refugees that were left

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it just kept mounting

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it kept mounting and uh

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but again you know trying to do

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power because there there's big

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for for all of this i wanted to make

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um i did my due diligence and everything

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so i was still kind of actively working

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on that and in fact uh was

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with attorneys trying to sue to get his

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emails and phone records released

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because they had obstructed that for two

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then lo and behold uh i heard

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it all kind of came to a head at once at

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that point and one other small detail i

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left out there andy is that i was a he

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in the inspector general's uh complaint

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the ig and that's good you've cleared up

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there he was the kind of suspect number

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one at the top of that

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jazz shaw fellow journalist had

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mentioned online that gary reed was

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potentially still employed within the

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dod

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can you clear that up for us as to what

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gary reed's position currently is if

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indeed he still has one

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sure yeah yeah yeah and that was that

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was an interesting situation and i

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cleared a couple of points for people um

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because uh you know this one bleeds into

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even my article because a lot of times

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you will see news outlets including

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myself including this article will um

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mention officials without naming them so

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you'll see them say you know senior

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officials either they're speaking on uh

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with anonymity or you'll see the phrase

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often used where it says speaking on

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background

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and so that statement that the jazz got

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and put out was on background

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and

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the way those background statements work

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is it's kind of it's a it's a contract

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between a journalist and somebody else

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um

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that where you're just giving them some

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contextual information but you're not

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supposed to cite them and so

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that as i say all of that is because it

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was mentioned that this was the

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public affairs office that provided this

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information on background i absolutely

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believe that is correct

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however

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they did not intend when that statement

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was given it was not intended to be

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attributed to public affairs

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whatsoever um

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you know this may seem odd for people

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but even in the public affairs office

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there are statements that are in my

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articles that are attributed to a senior

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defense official that is actually from

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public affairs

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but they don't want it attributed

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because they don't when they attribute

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something from public affairs they're

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speaking on behalf of the entire

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department of defense

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whereas on background they're just

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trying to clarify so the clarifying

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statement that he got was that he was

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still currently the director

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um by all accounts that is not a false

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statement

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okay

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and

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the reason i say it's not a false

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statement is because

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we i stand by everything in the article

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and in fact if you go back through

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the article itself everything that i

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mentioned is that he was dismissed or he

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was ousted

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i never said that his employee his

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employment was terminated as of yet i

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may have said that on twitter and that

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would be my fault but uh

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but not in the article itself that goes

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through the editorial

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and even you know we tried to clarify

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has he resigned has he been placed on

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leave has he been dismissed of his

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responsibilities which is ultimately

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what the case is

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or what's the status that they would

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they declined to comment on that so when

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they say that he is still currently

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there that's not incorrect but he has

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been

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dismissed of his responsibilities

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as director of defense intelligence

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which means at this current point he's

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doing what what uh this is

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this is extremely common in the

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department of defense especially in a

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world where

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it almost literally takes an act of

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congress to fire people this is what's

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called flying a desk

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meaning that he

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has no responsibilities

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he may still

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uh be obligated to attend management

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meetings that kind of thing but he has

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no staff he has no responsibilities he's

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basically getting a paycheck to show up

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this is the uh

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department of defense they're not

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limited to them this is almost all

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government even state local municipal

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this is their way of saying look

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you need to quit a resign while they go

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through the the red tape and rigmarole

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of trying to make sure all of their eyes

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are dotted and t's are crossed uh

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to terminate someone but the ultimate

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goal there is they want that employee to

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resign because if someone freely resides

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there's no recourse meaning he can't

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appeal a termination he can't come back

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and try to say he was wrongfully

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terminated because he willfully reside

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so it's this way of kind of

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making it very uncomfortable and wanting

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someone to resign

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and then there is also the

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in this limbo stage there's also this

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remote chance that someone can be

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reassigned and that just basically means

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that somebody in another high-level

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position

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has to say hey yeah you can come work

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for me you can come over to my office

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and

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they get put over there they get another

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way of prolonging that flying a desk is

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they

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reassign somebody to a really horrible

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crappy position

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anything they can do to try to get them

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to quit but but in terms of him being

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dismissed from his responsibilities

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there

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in that position everything that that's

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yeah

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everything said in the article is

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absolutely correct there there is

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currently an acting director that is uh

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working in his stead uh and now and in

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fact

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um the majority consensus that i've been

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told from

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within

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that sphere is that this acting director

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may ultimately become the director and

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there's some dissension there but that's

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neither here nor there but just to

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clarify all of that no one's no one's

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lying noise misrepresenting including

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the dod

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um

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it's just uh

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i've said this we probably said this in

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past interviews i think people who are

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only interested in ufos

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uh if nothing else in the last four or

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five years have gotten a crash course in

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government bureaucracy and how the uf

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government works and this is hundred

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percent of those weird components to it

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yeah that's how i feel at times that i

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still have to get my head around and i

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get listener emails and comments and dms

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of actually it's not this and they'll

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correct me on the the nuances of the

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policies or the parties and it's it's

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something that can i it's like computer

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ram it goes in my head and goes back out

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when i don't need it so um

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i don't even take too much of an

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interest in uk politics let alone us i

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kind of know what i need to know so

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people like yourself clear that up for

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me which is which is great um you

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mentioned before that he was named at

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the top of louise elizondo's complaint

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that is still going through the system

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um for those that might not remember or

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haven't heard if they're newer to the

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ufo topic or podcast can you just

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refresh as quickly on on why louise

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elizondo has an official complaint going

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through government

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sure yeah um you know may of last year

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uh lua liu through his attorney um

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filed a complaint with the department of

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defense inspector general's office and

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for those who are unfamiliar this is the

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office who works at the

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independent oversight agency they're in

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charge with

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investigating misconduct administrative

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violations also evaluating

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programs you know they're just they're

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the watchdog but they're independent and

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so he filed an official formal complaint

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with them

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in which he was

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alleging that

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both

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disinformation related to the uap topic

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and himself

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and his role with atip

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he was alleging threats and malicious

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retribution against him after coming out

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and disclosing atip

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and the uap topic

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and uh all of these things being

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violations and you know things that um

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are both unethical against policy and in

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some cases could be illegal depending on

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exactly to what extent and so he filed

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that formal complaint in may of 2000

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yeah may of last year 2021 he did that

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right on the heels of when the

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inspector general's office had also

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announced they were doing conducting a

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formal evaluation of how the how the dod

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is handling the uap topic in general so

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both of those to my to my knowledge are

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still active and going on the the ig's

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office uh i did reach out they uh

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declined a comment which i expected they

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will not comment on active

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investigations

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and uh

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everyone you know it still appears to be

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a relative mystery as to what ultimately

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got gary reed ousted even though for

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anybody who's read the article we'll see

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there's a lot of misbehavior there's a

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lot of bad things that should have

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gotten ran off

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a lot earlier

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um but what actually ultimately did it

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at this point um

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everybody is is is a little in the dark

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on and and they don't know however the

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general consensus is is it uh could very

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well have something to do with louis

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elizondo's ig complaint now whether that

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directly relates to the uap topic itself

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or not i don't know because like people

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have said

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you know the ig has a lot of power they

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can come in and

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look at all your emails look at all your

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text messages you know they can dig

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through everything and so

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the potential exists that uh

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they could have uncovered a lot of other

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misbehavior that we haven't even heard

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about yet and that could be what led to

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where the situation he's in right now

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led to it being ousted it could be

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solely based on elizondo you know i at

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this point it's it's really unknown it

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could be afghanistan uh you know it's

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that's

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with this one

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if i had to speculate i'd say it's

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probably a totality of all those factors

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how is this going to impact luella

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zondo's complaint going forward if at

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all

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with the ig and their complaint because

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the inspector general's office though

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they have brought authority to

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investigate these things

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they don't

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you know they'll make a determination

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they'll make a recommendation

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in terms of how something is or a

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situation should be improved or handled

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or or they may recommend punishment for

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employee but they have no authority to

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enforce punishment so they can't

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say what's going to happen or not so in

568
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terms of both louise elizondo's

569
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,360
complaint and the current evaluation of

570
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,840
uaps it will have

571
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:28,720
very

572
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,760
minimal to know of impact

573
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,760
in whatever they have remaining to do

574
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:35,360
they'll keep doing their job and keep

575
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,799
investigating it

576
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,919
um

577
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,559
as is until they're that's

578
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,720
closed or resolved so it won't it won't

579
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,760
there won't be any major impact there

580
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,840
i've seen some people commenting online

581
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,799
uh

582
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,039
john greenwald was one who when was

583
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,520
asked about this conversation said the

584
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,200
the lack of sources was something that

585
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,280
put him off but he was going to fight

586
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,600
going forward put those requests in but

587
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,280
she would expect he would do it is what

588
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,919
he does and does it well um

589
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:06,400
why is it so difficult to get anyone to

590
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,120
go

591
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,880
public with something like this and as a

592
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,200
journalist is there a frustration when

593
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,880
you have to put an article out where you

594
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,440
can cite no names

595
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,440
um yeah yeah no and that's a good

596
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,280
question so

597
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,039
i think first of all i'm going to answer

598
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,480
to the first idea that uh if anybody's

599
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,400
put off by it but by the fact that

600
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,559
there's not anybody specifically named

601
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,520
in it

602
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,799
i said this

603
00:21:35,710 --> 00:21:33,600
this before

604
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,720
if you go through that article and

605
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,520
objectively

606
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,559
read it

607
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,120
um absolutely none of the behavior

608
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,120
absolutely none absolutely none of the

609
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,480
allegations

610
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,559
require anonymous sources

611
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,840
absolutely none

612
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,000
and you know the anonymous sources are

613
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:51,760
represent

614
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,480
the

615
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,559
you know comprise hours and hours and

616
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,640
hours of interviews or conversations i

617
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,840
have i've had with dozens of individuals

618
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,520
and so you're getting a peek into kind

619
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,600
of uh you know what's going on behind

620
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,280
the scenes to to

621
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,720
as i'm going through this investigative

622
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,640
process but those conversations those

623
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,799
quotes those information is all used

624
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,799
throughout the entire article

625
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,600
uh as as color commentary or just

626
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,400
providing you context of that background

627
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,799
but in order of forming an opinion about

628
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,760
uh the actual events themselves you know

629
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,600
if i broke it into three parts here

630
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,440
which i did in the article sex lies and

631
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:28,799
ufos

632
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,640
uh the sex and lies part you can

633
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
all of that is contained within the dods

634
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,120
the ig's official investigative report

635
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,120
you know it was quoted as such and in

636
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,679
fact uh we didn't

637
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,000
initially include that report so that

638
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,159
anybody could read it for themselves

639
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,440
simply because

640
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,480
uh

641
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,320
truth of the matter is is we we don't

642
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,400
run a document archive website near

643
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,000
server space so maybe that's me being a

644
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,760
cheapskate but at the same time um

645
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,840
you know i handed it out to to anybody

646
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,919
who asked and i think subsequently both

647
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,799
um

648
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,559
steven greenstreet and brian bender have

649
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,480
published it so anybody can read it so

650
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,919
all of those allegations all those

651
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,720
mentions all of those uh quotes from

652
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,480
witnesses during the the sexual

653
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,320
harassment uh

654
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,240
or the improper sexual relationship

655
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:17,840
that's

656
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,720
paperwork when we look at the um

657
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,000
allegations of louis elizondo and his ig

658
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,600
complaint

659
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,760
first and foremost there was some some

660
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,240
inclusions there uh from somebody who

661
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,159
was very close to that situation but

662
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,520
couldn't be named regarding uh the acts

663
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,520
of retribution against flu

664
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,400
um and you people can take that or leave

665
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,559
it but at the same time that's why in

666
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,559
the core of that i included

667
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,000
a the the osi report which again had

668
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,840
already been published i had already

669
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,600
published that with vice news

670
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:55,039
two years ago

671
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,840
um

672
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,679
that's already been published it's out

673
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,080
there but but demonstrated through that

674
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,919
report a

675
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,760
osi would not have had jurisdiction

676
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,760
unless they were told that these videos

677
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,279
were classified even though that was

678
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,679
demonstrably not true based on other

679
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,840
voyage documented information

680
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,159
and so uh but they were under that

681
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:16,720
impression and then if you look at that

682
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,440
report you see where it describes that

683
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,640
it's the

684
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,000
at the conclusion of it is being

685
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,320
forwarded back to the action party who

686
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,679
initiated

687
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,880
had them investigate which is ousdi and

688
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,799
the head of ousdi security and law

689
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,640
enforcement is gary reed you know all

690
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,480
these are facts they're there with the

691
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:36,000
paper you don't need the anonymous

692
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,120
sources

693
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,799
uh when it comes to the afghanistan

694
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:40,240
withdrawal you know i kind of touched on

695
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:40,960
it

696
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,279
don't need

697
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,400
if if you don't want to take what the

698
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:49,760
sources said

699
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,200
uh at face value in terms of uh how gary

700
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,279
reed influenced the withdrawal process

701
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,400
that's that's fine no hard feelings

702
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,760
but you can

703
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,320
freely anybody can google it and in fact

704
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,760
i um

705
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,240
in the article they are hyperlinked uh

706
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,480
you can look at you can either watch or

707
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,080
read

708
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,840
the pentagon press briefings going back

709
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,320
to august 2021 and you can listen to

710
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,400
gary reed himself being being addressed

711
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,159
as the director of the afghan crisis

712
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,000
group and explaining exactly what his

713
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,919
role is exactly what the group's role is

714
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,279
and what they're doing

715
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,039
so you don't need those background

716
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,600
sources to to form that opinion

717
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:29,120
and uh

718
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,600
none of them gave it gave in a uh any

719
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,200
sort of factual interpretation or

720
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,600
opinion of how successful the withdrawal

721
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,760
was we provided those facts from a

722
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,279
report that was released by an

723
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,000
independent ngo

724
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,000
even then like we just mentioned i think

725
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,360
most people remember those chaotic

726
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,520
scenes from august 2021 they remember

727
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,679
those people hanging on do you really

728
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,400
need that to say that it was a disaster

729
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,760
and so uh and in terms of lew's ig

730
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,000
complaint he was named on the record so

731
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,640
the person who was who was actually

732
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,120
filing the complaint the person who uh

733
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,039
is making the accusations against him

734
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,320
was quoted on there he is named so i

735
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:12,720
understand that i do think that people

736
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,880
um oftentimes will use that as a cop-out

737
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,679
but

738
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,840
in terms of how when you're trying to

739
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,440
report on national security matters or

740
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,440
defense matters in terms of how i have

741
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:25,919
used uh unnamed sources

742
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:29,440
in this article in other instances um it

743
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,320
is

744
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,080
nowhere near the the same degree that

745
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,080
you'll see even mainstream media outlets

746
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,919
do it daily

747
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,720
they frequently do this um

748
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,520
everything when i use them they whatever

749
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,840
statements they make are almost always

750
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,240
corroborated by

751
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,880
hard document data facts like i just

752
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,760
mentioned

753
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,400
um or they're corroborating known

754
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,320
established facts like the afghanistan

755
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,080
withdrawal they're not dependent solely

756
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,240
on that whatsoever

757
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,679
um

758
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,640
i guess the the overarching thing there

759
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,880
would be uh

760
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,279
yeah but the the pentagon on background

761
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,039
so so again

762
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,840
even though it was inadvertently named

763
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,919
uh that it was a public affairs office

764
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,919
is saying that he's still employed there

765
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,840
and the bulk of that idea that he's been

766
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,240
dismissed from his position is

767
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,640
only come from background sources well

768
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,399
the idea that he's still there has come

769
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
from a background source so the pentagon

770
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,159
still refuses to give that official

771
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,520
explanation

772
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,600
um and so even if you don't believe that

773
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,279
he's been dismissed that's fine all in

774
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,960
dandy it doesn't negate all the other

775
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,200
information in there so i guess

776
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,799
the downside to that if you don't want

777
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,120
to believe that is he's still there and

778
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,120
and he still has this position

779
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,960
and based on everything covered in it

780
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,039
that's not a good thing but you just

781
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,720
can't i mean you

782
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,159
to report

783
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,880
on national security matters

784
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:55,919
you

785
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,720
to do it

786
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,120
or you have to be willing to rely on

787
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:03,919
people that by the nature of their job

788
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,799
can't go on the record or they are not

789
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,399
authorized to so they're speaking to you

790
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,799
but they're really not supposed to

791
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,960
to give you information or

792
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,520
as i mentioned earlier there are

793
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,760
plenty of occasions more than people

794
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,799
would ever

795
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
uh

796
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,080
realize in which that information has

797
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,840
come directly from the public affairs

798
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,159
office however they are providing it on

799
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,000
background asking not to be named

800
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,679
because they they don't want it to be

801
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,120
attributed as the position of the

802
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,880
department of defense which is what

803
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,480
public affairs is so when you attribute

804
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,679
it to them

805
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,360
now it becomes the department offensive

806
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,480
statement but rather they're willing to

807
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,320
provide you with additional information

808
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,600
that they are

809
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,520
clear for you to publish it just needs

810
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,880
to be attributed to senior defense

811
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,120
officials so that same

812
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,760
uh you know under that same um

813
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,520
banner there

814
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,360
there could very well be

815
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,200
public affairs officials who are named

816
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,279
as senior officials in this report but

817
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,440
you're obligated under the same same

818
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,120
deal that you do with anybody you've got

819
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:05,919
to respect that condition and and just

820
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,120
leave it at that but you know

821
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,200
you're you're you're going to get that

822
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,760
but i think in this particular case uh

823
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,120
out of all it was it's kind of

824
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,559
interesting because i think if you look

825
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,600
at the core

826
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,159
message behind all of that you

827
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,480
you can go in and redact all the

828
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,240
anonymous source and the information

829
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,159
itself still their stance

830
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,840
still there

831
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,440
i was going to ask a question that a

832
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,760
listener tim staley also sent in as well

833
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,960
and it's a great question so i'm going

834
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,440
to use his wording is there any evidence

835
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,679
from the read investigation to suggest

836
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,440
that non-government actors or

837
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,480
journalists

838
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,279
were fed nefarious info by gary reid or

839
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,399
susan go goff sorry or other ou sdi

840
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,320
staff to advance the smear campaign

841
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,720
directed at loyola zondo and potentially

842
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,840
control the narrative

843
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:54,799
sure so

844
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,440
you know that's a great question and uh

845
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,640
to break it up into a couple part so one

846
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:03,200
there were people who who who talked to

847
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:04,000
me

848
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,799
were in a position to know firsthand

849
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,880
uh a couple of them absolutely would

850
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,360
have had first-hand knowledge of this

851
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,000
who said that clarifying statements uh

852
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,240
in terms of uh some of the uap

853
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,760
statements that have been issued or in

854
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,320
particular louis lozando's role with

855
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,720
atip

856
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
they were

857
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,320
provided to public affairs

858
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,039
and yet they never came out and so at

859
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:32,720
the end of the day public affairs even

860
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,760
though it's been provided with

861
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,120
employee a

862
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,960
uh at the top of the food chain and all

863
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,120
of this is gary reid and he has as the

864
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,720
senior executive he has the authority to

865
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:44,000
tell public affairs no that's not

866
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,960
accurate that's not what we're going to

867
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,880
say we're going to say this so you have

868
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,120
that and i think that

869
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,960
they're definitely

870
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,960
i would say i heard from from more than

871
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,240
a few

872
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,200
people that i i trust i consider to be

873
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,440
entirely reliable and absolutely have no

874
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,519
doubt they were in positions to to know

875
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,880
that information

876
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,159
said that gary reed went out of his way

877
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,760
to influence those statements that were

878
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,480
being issued by public affairs and so

879
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,880
uh you have that uh the second part of

880
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,640
that which i think kind of touches on is

881
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,799
that question is could

882
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,440
some of the criticisms the critiques

883
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,200
whether they've come from

884
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,679
journalists or you know just media

885
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:26,080
pundits about blue elizando or ufos

886
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,200
could they

887
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,760
be seated out by gary reed you know

888
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,840
could he have been doing that as well

889
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,840
that i don't know

890
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,080
i will say that it came up on multiple

891
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,480
occasions you know both with me asking

892
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,880
people who who were involved in the in

893
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,519
the situation and inside the pentagon

894
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,399
and

895
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,480
you know i got their opinions which

896
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,039
their opinions were that's absolutely

897
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,039
something that could be possible but

898
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,200
it's just opinions you know i didn't i

899
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,559
wouldn't write that in the article

900
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,399
because it's just opinions

901
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:57,360
um

902
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,240
so

903
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,399
that's always

904
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,799
the same exact way that that i'm getting

905
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,399
information from individuals and they're

906
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,080
speaking to me off the record or on

907
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,200
background

908
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,919
could likewise mr reed have been doing

909
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,039
the same uh to other people sure i mean

910
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,399
that

911
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,600
some people are talking to me he might

912
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:16,799
have been talking to other people as

913
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:20,000
well trying to influence that idea that

914
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,360
um

915
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,080
you know to just discredit or to dismiss

916
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,320
it and some of the

917
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,880
in particular one of the most prominent

918
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:30,159
uh

919
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,279
critics

920
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,640
that uh

921
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,080
is himself has a past history of that

922
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,640
is a disgraced journalist from the field

923
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,640
who was caught you know

924
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,919
sharing information for a major

925
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,360
corporation

926
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,600
at their behest and influence in the

927
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,760
media so it's not

928
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,360
i guess the ultimate answer which is a

929
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,039
really good question i do not have any

930
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,799
hard proof of that there's certainly

931
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,799
lots of suspicious

932
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,039
uh areas there that make you raise some

933
00:33:02,789 --> 00:32:59,600
eyebrows but but not nearly enough that

934
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,799
i could say for a fact that's going on

935
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,640
on that same tone would it be safe to

936
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,440
presume someone like gary reed would be

937
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
clever enough during his time and

938
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,200
position of authority to surround

939
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,399
himself by like-minded thinking people

940
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
those people would still be in place

941
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,320
and is there a chance there that could

942
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,240
then hamper further progression on the

943
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,640
uap topic within the halls of government

944
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,200
and as is potentially the first of more

945
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,120
i'm going to use the word firings we

946
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,279
know gary reid hasn't been fired

947
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,679
technically yet um if that does indeed

948
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,440
happen he could be moved on but is there

949
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,279
a chance that more people move on from

950
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,880
from those positions are obfuscating

951
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,480
things

952
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,880
sure there's always that that potential

953
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:43,120
and quite frequently i mean that is what

954
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,159
you described about surrounding

955
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,919
themselves with like-minded people or

956
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,320
their their inner circle is absolutely

957
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,880
what goes on it's uh

958
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,679
overwhelmingly how mr reed got the

959
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:55,279
position that he was in you know there

960
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,080
was

961
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,120
certainly significant evidence

962
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,799
that you don't just need my opinion or

963
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,559
what other people's opinion who told me

964
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,320
but if you just read his his fact sheet

965
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,200
bio which is on the internet um

966
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,119
it seems very impressive to people

967
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,560
because uh

968
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,159
he had a very he had a very lengthy

969
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,320
career in special operations which

970
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,839
in all fairness

971
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,480
uh everybody spoke highly of him during

972
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,560
his time in in military and as a special

973
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,320
operator they had a lot of respect for

974
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,000
him i only

975
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,359
and then something changed when he got

976
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,760
to the pentagon and so i i don't know

977
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,520
him back then and i've only heard the

978
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,200
bulk of what the pentagon but in

979
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,639
fairness to

980
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,159
and being objective here i heard good

981
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,240
things there but if you look at that in

982
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,560
terms of positions that he later

983
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,960
held and went on to even though it's

984
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:42,960
extremely impressive to be a navy seal

985
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,919
or a green beret or an sas operator and

986
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,280
and these people are highly trained and

987
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,119
highly skilled that doesn't necessarily

988
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,320
translate into encounter intelligence

989
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,079
executive or counterintelligence field

990
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,679
they're two different ones a trigger

991
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,079
puller and kicking indoors and another

992
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,920
is somebody that's influencing policy

993
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,240
and making decisions and so a great

994
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:03,839
number of people said he was unqualified

995
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,200
for that and uh a great number um and i

996
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,040
think you can kind of circumstantially

997
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:11,680
conclude that to be true as you is as

998
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,119
you look at the hierarchy of who was his

999
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,520
boss when he was first hired and who was

1000
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,680
their boss it all becomes the same in

1001
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,960
fact all of them were former green

1002
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,800
berets all of them were former army

1003
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,720
special operations people they all had

1004
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:26,160
worked with each other at certain points

1005
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:27,119
in time

1006
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,000
and so

1007
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,800
uh could it be said that likewise uh in

1008
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,280
carrying on that kind of chain that that

1009
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,520
uh gary reed has extended it's it

1010
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,200
extended his hand out as he went up the

1011
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,839
ladder and pulled up his people uh

1012
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,000
absolutely you know and it's probably

1013
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,400
highly likely

1014
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,400
with all of that said i think when

1015
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,240
somebody at this high level position is

1016
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,920
is ousted from that position of power

1017
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:53,920
it certainly sends a message

1018
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,960
and it's very interesting because

1019
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:58,480
there were certain people that i talked

1020
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,400
to during this who i would say there was

1021
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:04,240
a good amount of evidence that they too

1022
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:07,839
were a bad actor at times

1023
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,200
but when the heat was on they blamed him

1024
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,880
they were like no no he's i'm a victim

1025
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,359
he's the bad guy he's that guy so

1026
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,839
self pro self preservation and so

1027
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,320
survival often takes over especially in

1028
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,240
a highly political and bureaucratic

1029
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,680
world like this

1030
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,800
and so i think it boils down to uh if

1031
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,640
individuals even individuals who may

1032
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,520
share

1033
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,760
the same kind of uh

1034
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,960
idea that a uap should be looked into b

1035
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,359
elisando's an [\h__\h] and you know he

1036
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,359
deserves to be punished if they feel

1037
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,760
like that those views could themselves

1038
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,320
come back on them uh they very likely

1039
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,119
are they're much less likely

1040
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,880
to to act upon them and i think

1041
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,119
by publishing this article

1042
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,200
that that accentuates that the

1043
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,119
realization that not only could could

1044
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,440
that type of thing come out

1045
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,839
publicly but as we already know this is

1046
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,560
a issue that congress has been willing

1047
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:06,240
to speak on publicly and pass

1048
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,839
legislation on so you know that

1049
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,040
lawmakers

1050
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,119
i would say that for anybody remaining

1051
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,560
in those positions

1052
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,400
they would have to know going into it

1053
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,640
that it could be

1054
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:18,640
it could be very bad for them if they

1055
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:22,560
were bound out to be just continuing on

1056
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,079
um was the aoi msg an effort many saw as

1057
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,079
a cynical response to the gillibrand

1058
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,160
amendment which many saw as progression

1059
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,880
in the subject of ufos uaps something

1060
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:35,440
that gary reid did and encouraged to to

1061
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:40,069
i

1062
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,040
as we all know came two weeks you know

1063
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,160
after the gila brown amendment was uh

1064
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:02,880
was proposed and so this is you know

1065
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,640
absolutely a way of getting ahead of it

1066
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,880
before it passed to say so when it

1067
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,040
passed it's you know it sets this

1068
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,280
condition that outwardly looks like once

1069
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,800
it's passed hey we've already got it

1070
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,400
here you know we're ahead of the curve

1071
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,280
we're on board with you um that's just

1072
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,280
not the attitude and disposition that

1073
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,240
you see with the dod particularly when

1074
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,560
uh you're talking about an entirely new

1075
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,480
program office that hasn't existed

1076
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,880
before if they didn't start it up long

1077
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:33,200
before now the idea of congress forcing

1078
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,320
them to is not something they're going

1079
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,200
to be happy with and so uh

1080
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,720
i would say absolutely that was that was

1081
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,560
an attempt to get ahead of that

1082
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,400
amendment and make sure that they had a

1083
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,200
way to influence it and ensure that

1084
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:47,680
how it was maintained how it was run was

1085
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:48,400
was

1086
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,839
how they wanted it and uh you know i

1087
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,240
know for a fact that the gary reed was

1088
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,160
assigned he was the executive secretary

1089
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,240
so he was the top of that

1090
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,359
pyramid there uh at that office uh up

1091
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,280
until his his removal

1092
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,320
and so

1093
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,839
again it would just would have you know

1094
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,680
that i highlighted that in the article

1095
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,240
and because i think that that is a

1096
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,079
a point that people both the public and

1097
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,760
congress should be aware of because we

1098
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,320
know that both both public and congress

1099
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,760
were saying this is an issue they wanted

1100
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,920
to see taken seriously

1101
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,400
uh and and behind the scenes so even

1102
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,480
when you had the uap task force at the

1103
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,079
end of the day top of that pyramid was

1104
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,000
always gary reed and this was somebody

1105
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,280
who

1106
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:31,119
there's certainly

1107
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,599
hard brass tack information to show that

1108
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,599
there's misconduct there

1109
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,720
he'd even been found guilty of

1110
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,480
misconduct there

1111
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:42,079
but then there's also a lot of other

1112
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,520
supplementary information to say that

1113
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,000
the topic of uap and in particular luis

1114
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,760
delazanto was something he was

1115
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,079
antagonistic towards so you have to ask

1116
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,680
yourself are you going to be successful

1117
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:52,880
when you've got

1118
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:55,920
the same person who's uh compromising

1119
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,280
their position running this and um

1120
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,240
you know

1121
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,000
even if it uh

1122
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,680
you take out a lot of those things and

1123
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,680
just look at the misconduct uh are you

1124
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,839
gonna have an effective office run or is

1125
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,119
it gonna be run under the same manner

1126
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,800
that we saw with the afghanistan review

1127
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,319
withdrawal something that they knew was

1128
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,240
going to be very public so

1129
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,640
uh to answer that i'd say i'd say yes it

1130
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,160
was an attempt to try to get ahead of it

1131
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:20,880
and control it and um

1132
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,160
it just sends an interesting message on

1133
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,520
that now for him to be ousted

1134
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:29,680
how important is this development for

1135
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,400
you

1136
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,640
for those of us with an interest in ufos

1137
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,880
and pushing the topic forward

1138
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,640
or not the topic but the progression

1139
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,960
within government

1140
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,920
um

1141
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:41,040
you know

1142
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,079
it's one of these things where i'm

1143
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,599
always temporary i'll just say well time

1144
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,880
will tell

1145
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,520
uh i would say at face value at this

1146
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,160
point uh you know it's pretty stunning

1147
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,079
to see somebody in this level position

1148
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,359
be be

1149
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,200
removed

1150
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,880
and um

1151
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,000
you know that alone is really shocking

1152
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,280
you typically just don't see that happen

1153
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,400
and so that alone i would say

1154
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,079
there's definitely the potential there

1155
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,920
for it to be positive uh it's just hard

1156
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,680
from it's hard for me to really

1157
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,359
speculate and say

1158
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,680
it's going to be super great news in

1159
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,280
particular for your listeners who are

1160
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,800
really interested in the uap topic

1161
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,480
because i don't know

1162
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,319
we don't know as of yet who's going to

1163
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,920
take his position

1164
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,920
we don't know if the person who takes

1165
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,000
his position will

1166
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,240
view that his ousting review the

1167
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,720
influence that uap topic had on it how

1168
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,319
significant it was

1169
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,640
outside of the fact that i think that

1170
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:39,599
the

1171
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,319
uh

1172
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,839
the the people who are interested in the

1173
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,480
uap topic the ufo twitter you know your

1174
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,640
listeners have have overwhelmingly

1175
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,720
demonstrated from an international

1176
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,920
audience

1177
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,599
you know over the last couple years that

1178
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
this is something that they want to see

1179
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,640
taken seriously and they're going to

1180
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,440
continue to ask questions and push and

1181
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,640
and force the issue and so therefore

1182
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,480
anybody going into that

1183
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,760
is gonna come

1184
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,880
you know that even if uh you know if

1185
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,720
you're going to try to close that office

1186
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,880
down or or come out with your own

1187
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,280
version of the condon report and say

1188
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,440
that there's nothing to it i think that

1189
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
they recognize that they would have to

1190
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,880
provide

1191
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,440
significant information to substantiate

1192
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,520
that or congress and the public is not

1193
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,240
going to be happy with that conclusion

1194
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,760
i want to finish on just a couple of

1195
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,079
listener questions with you tim the

1196
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,800
first up from nathan is there any impact

1197
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,560
to louise elizondo's potential

1198
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,280
re-engagement with the uap task force or

1199
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,160
aoi msg whichever kind of ends up taking

1200
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,950
yeah honestly i don't know

1201
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,680
uh you know i know uh you know some

1202
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,040
people have wondered that particularly

1203
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,960
because christopher mellon wrote an

1204
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,839
op-ed you know at the end of last year

1205
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,640
um to that effect why has he not

1206
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,200
got his job back that kind of thing and

1207
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,839
so you know with the person who who

1208
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,599
definitely appears to be the biggest

1209
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,440
antagonist against him both personally

1210
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,440
in the topic could he receive his job

1211
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,040
back i

1212
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,680
i don't

1213
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,599
um

1214
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,520
i honestly don't know and i'll tell you

1215
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,359
i'll extend that and give you my opinion

1216
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,520
andy yeah please

1217
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,960
and whether i think that would be a good

1218
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:23,680
thing or not and this is absolutely zero

1219
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,520
disrespect to to luis elizondo or

1220
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:28,720
anybody that would differ in that

1221
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:32,319
opinion in my opinion i do not think it

1222
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,440
would be

1223
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,160
in everybody's best interest if lou was

1224
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,839
reinstated in that position simply

1225
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,000
because uh i think for a lot of people

1226
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,839
and it's particularly a lot of people

1227
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:45,599
who are critical of the topic or or

1228
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,480
maybe

1229
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,079
uh you know very

1230
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,440
skeptical

1231
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,960
of this is something even needs to be

1232
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,119
looked into we already know lou's

1233
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,599
position we already know uh his feelings

1234
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,920
on the topic i think it would be it's

1235
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,839
much more impactful

1236
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,400
to find somebody who is willing to

1237
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:06,000
objectively look at it legitimately uh

1238
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,119
that

1239
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,880
their credentials there

1240
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,640
they are beyond repute

1241
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,720
you know they are uh

1242
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,240
trustworthy we know that they are

1243
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,599
they're willing to do it because i think

1244
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,839
at the end of the day if you're going to

1245
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:20,560
come out with uh any type of evidence or

1246
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,680
any kind of statement that could have

1247
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,520
significant implications or

1248
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,599
ramifications i think if you've got

1249
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,440
somebody there that's coming into touch

1250
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,720
with those kind of dentists that's going

1251
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,640
to carry so much more weight and again

1252
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,839
that's not a slight at louis

1253
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,839
he was doing it for years and he

1254
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,319
absolutely could i'm more considering on

1255
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,760
the idea of uh you know how successful

1256
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,520
can the office be and and when they

1257
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,680
reach out for resources or help if

1258
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,920
you've got somebody that that has a

1259
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,280
background that

1260
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,359
doesn't have a ufo background

1261
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,800
established

1262
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,319
i liken it maybe to how when they

1263
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,160
brought in jail and heineck when he came

1264
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,760
into blue book you know he did not you

1265
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,040
know he was an astronomer he was an

1266
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,000
academic he did not have a ufo interest

1267
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:06,160
and so when he

1268
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,119
kind of

1269
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,880
suddenly after looking at it all started

1270
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,720
to believe there was something to that

1271
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,280
to me that's more impactful because

1272
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,599
they're coming into it without

1273
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,079
already having that information uh all

1274
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,400
of that said that do i think that that

1275
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,640
louis lozando should be involved in it

1276
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,560
you know absolutely it seems where he's

1277
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,319
already been involved for years he

1278
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,880
already has a lot of background in it so

1279
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,040
uh you know if i was that person running

1280
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,960
that office coming in as that objective

1281
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,480
person i certainly would want him

1282
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,359
involved in some capacity regardless

1283
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,880
i don't think louie would see that as a

1284
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,280
slate at all because he himself when he

1285
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,200
went into his position what was that

1286
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,680
person wasn't he he went into his role

1287
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,079
with no ufo you know

1288
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,839
love or background i mean he only saw

1289
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,440
close encounters of the third kind last

1290
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,599
year you know that that was that he went

1291
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,359
in with that open mind and he was that

1292
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,960
person of let's take a look at this is

1293
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,800
there something to it and he's come out

1294
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,920
as he's come out so you're almost

1295
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:02,000
looking for the the next luella's undo

1296
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,280
potentially because what you hope

1297
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,040
happens is they go in with that

1298
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,599
objective background that dr jaylen

1299
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,920
heineck background and they realize or

1300
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,680
something to it and and that pushes

1301
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:14,079
things forward hopefully hopefully sure

1302
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,880
um

1303
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,640
two more questions tim then we can wrap

1304
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,880
up um this one i'll

1305
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,839
i'll read um pretty much verbatim j5

1306
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,079
alive says as an american whose taxis

1307
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,680
are paying for all these ridiculous

1308
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,920
morons in our government how many more

1309
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,599
do you believe there are how can we get

1310
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,440
rid of them how much your ufo

1311
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:33,680
information do you think is being

1312
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,950
the latter part i would say a lot

1313
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,200
you know a lot of information at a

1314
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,680
multitude of levels not just high levels

1315
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,440
so do you see a uh

1316
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:49,920
obstruction of information being

1317
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,359
released videos or reports and that type

1318
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:55,920
of thing i think that indeed that

1319
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,640
occurs uh but then i think there's also

1320
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,720
the obstruction in the

1321
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,800
um setting the tone of this is something

1322
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,240
that you don't want to report or if you

1323
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,079
do film it on your your your sensors or

1324
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,839
whatever just erase that like it's not

1325
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,000
something we keep around don't you know

1326
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,440
don't keep it around so there's there's

1327
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,359
two kind of faults there

1328
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:16,000
in terms of how many people uh

1329
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,960
yeah

1330
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,119
i don't know you know certainly gary

1331
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,240
reed is not the first nor last um and

1332
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,200
you know

1333
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,760
it's uh i can't stress enough that in my

1334
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,040
experience

1335
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,720
it is almost uh

1336
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,720
always in the worst situations the

1337
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,640
behavior of the people who are in power

1338
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,280
and able to to get away with them and do

1339
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,680
them the people that are at the next

1340
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,400
level below so even in senior positions

1341
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,800
such as like where lou elizondo was in

1342
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,640
the u.s government's called gs general

1343
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,680
service employees uh instead of ses sec

1344
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,640
uh senior executive service employees so

1345
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,200
at the gs level and below uh you know my

1346
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,200
experience is these are people who who

1347
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,960
are wholly you know committed to their

1348
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,559
job do their job

1349
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,480
um do their job well

1350
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:02,079
um they

1351
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,440
want to do a good job and they're

1352
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,599
focused on that and then it's usually

1353
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,359
the upper level that you get past where

1354
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,400
people get either drunk on power or

1355
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,400
they start getting interested in all

1356
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,880
sorts of other things and in mr reed's

1357
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,000
case uh

1358
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,079
women seem to be a pretty big vice of

1359
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,400
his um

1360
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,319
and that's where you start to see this

1361
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,079
this type of behavior

1362
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,000
and i you know

1363
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,119
how can you how can you you

1364
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,599
help continue to eradicate that i think

1365
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,319
it is you know doing what people have

1366
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,760
been doing or doing what we're doing

1367
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,839
which is looking into it thoroughly

1368
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,119
trying to investigate it trying to bring

1369
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,800
light to it and trying to bring light to

1370
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,920
it behind

1371
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,839
uh you know with facts that can

1372
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:46,000
substantiate that you know reid was

1373
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,680
dismissed from that position

1374
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,599
just prior to our publication but had he

1375
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,200
not been we were still going to publish

1376
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,280
this but you know

1377
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,040
in my opinion that's kind of how you go

1378
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,240
about it is uh you can't just say

1379
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,720
you know they're senior people who are

1380
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,400
blocking this effort they're seeing your

1381
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,160
people who are just corrupt

1382
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
you're going to have to actually

1383
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,680
you got to identify who those people are

1384
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:09,359
and and you've got to have that evidence

1385
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,440
to hand out to back up that accusation

1386
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,480
and

1387
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,319
if you're able to do that kind of stuff

1388
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,599
then uh there's nothing the um the the

1389
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,119
government at any level so whether it's

1390
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,480
department of defense whether it's the

1391
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:25,119
uk the united states wherever uh there's

1392
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,079
nothing they hate more than

1393
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,599
embarrassment and negative publicity and

1394
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,000
and i think uh in that regard that's

1395
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,880
very likely what um

1396
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,079
is influencing kind of the current uh

1397
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,760
unwillingness to want to describe the

1398
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,599
situation mr reed is currently facing

1399
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,280
himself in and even give background

1400
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
quotes that uh

1401
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,319
he's still in that current position

1402
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,920
because it's extremely embarrassing it

1403
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,079
is embarrassing to have your senior

1404
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,720
counter intelligence person

1405
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,359
misbehaving engaging all this and from

1406
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,079
that field be a huge counterintelligence

1407
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,760
risk i think that's important you know

1408
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,200
he's a huge risk

1409
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,880
russia waves a hot girl and a short

1410
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,160
skirt in front of him and the next thing

1411
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,559
you know um here we go the secrets so

1412
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,720
it's really an embarrassing

1413
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,440
info and um

1414
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,200
you know that that's the best advice i

1415
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,200
can give is um

1416
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,079
it's not easy but uh you know there are

1417
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,280
people that are in government or people

1418
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,839
that know people and you know if they

1419
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,520
make complaints whether it's me the

1420
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,680
debrief or any other reporter and they

1421
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,680
can do that anonymously and are able to

1422
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,760
substantiate those claims then they

1423
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,079
should be followed up on and if they're

1424
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,760
significant like we see here that

1425
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,920
information needs to be put out there

1426
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,240
that's the best way

1427
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,720
and final question from dave the rumored

1428
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,520
new head of the aoi msg is air force

1429
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,000
major general aaron m prupass

1430
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,839
does tim think that reid would have had

1431
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,920
anything to do with this appointment and

1432
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,920
please tell me he's not one of the demon

1433
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,040
faring air force crew

1434
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,119
i really don't know a lot about him and

1435
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,359
i mentioned in the article that is that

1436
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,640
is my

1437
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,520
uh speculation that he's taken over

1438
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:05,440
kind of the executive role in that

1439
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,559
position

1440
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,200
i know that he was a part of that office

1441
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,040
prior to this so therefore assuming they

1442
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,440
still part of that office and it

1443
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:15,440
absolutely would make sense because he

1444
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,359
is the um he's the military counterpart

1445
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,359
to to read where reed was the defense

1446
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,280
director of counterintelligence and

1447
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,920
security he is the defense director for

1448
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,480
warfighter so the military side so that

1449
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,400
that kind of makes sense for me but you

1450
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:32,079
will see a civilian come in at some

1451
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:32,960
point

1452
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:36,720
uh and i really i don't know a lot about

1453
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,720
him um in that regard so i don't know uh

1454
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,480
what his feelings are on the topic i

1455
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:43,440
don't know

1456
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,319
um

1457
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,520
what his his religio religious flavor is

1458
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,520
and in fact to the to the extent is i

1459
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:50,640
don't know

1460
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,200
aversion towards the topic was ever an

1461
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,520
influence for gary reid as well

1462
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,040
nobody ever said nobody ever described

1463
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,319
him as being

1464
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,680
and his behavior didn't seem very

1465
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,280
religious but

1466
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,319
uh i it's still

1467
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,200
a mystery you know it's still quite a

1468
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,839
mystery and so it's either i would say

1469
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,960
that the

1470
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,119
in my opinion the most likely outcomes

1471
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,440
are is this gentleman is either somebody

1472
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,079
who's openly curious objective and like

1473
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:21,440
hey this is interesting let's take a

1474
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,599
look at it or he's somebody who has uh

1475
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,920
he's reached his second star and whether

1476
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,440
he'll reach a third star or not i don't

1477
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,200
know and he may just be like you know i

1478
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,599
i don't want i want out of this

1479
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,000
i don't want to deal with this because

1480
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,319
uh it's just such a it's such a hot

1481
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,200
topic hot button topic and and i've

1482
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,200
mentioned that before

1483
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,599
that uh not saying it's right but saying

1484
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:47,839
can i see situations in which you can

1485
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,960
have people um

1486
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,559
who have reached their first second

1487
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:54,000
third star they've reached really the

1488
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,280
pinnacle of their career which is

1489
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,800
something that they have been preparing

1490
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,200
for going back to high school you know

1491
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,800
they go to west point in college like

1492
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,559
they've been preparing for this and you

1493
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,040
hand them this portfolio and even if

1494
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,760
it's got uh it can have the

1495
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:09,760
the crash materials and the bodies but

1496
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,750
yeah i don't want to be that guy

1497
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,839
i don't wanna like i just want to i've

1498
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,599
reached the top of my field i got a

1499
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,119
couple more years and i'm out of here

1500
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,520
and i don't want to be that guy and hand

1501
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,280
it it sounds really crazy and

1502
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,359
interesting and it's important make sure

1503
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,760
to let the next guy know who sits in

1504
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,599
this chair and could i see that happen

1505
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,440
sure do i know for a fact that has

1506
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,000
happened no

1507
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,839
tim the article was wonderful i would

1508
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,680
encourage people to go and check out sex

1509
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,160
lies and ufos the article link is in the

1510
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,319
description please check out please

1511
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,839
check out thedebrief.org make sure

1512
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,839
you're following tim and his colleagues

1513
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,440
uh all the links so those will be in the

1514
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,440
descriptions too at the debrief on

1515
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,839
twitter and other social medias always

1516
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,200
good speaking with you tim and look

1517
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,559
forward to next time

1518
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,359
always andy pleasure man

1519
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,440
that is all for this week's show thank

1520
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,440
you very much for listening please

1521
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,599
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00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,280
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1533
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:32,800
looking up you never know what you might

1534
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:34,630
see

1535
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:01,740
is

1536
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:10,710
[Music]

1537
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,150
i can't imagine how it could have been

1538
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:13,839
any better i got to the top of the

1539
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:33,190
[Music]

1540
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,950
was weird and everything was red i

1541
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:36,640
helped my boys they thought this was

1542
00:55:40,810 --> 00:55:59,910
[Music]

1543
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:05,290
and what's that

1544
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:09,829
[Music]

1545
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:15,270
for being

1546
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,700
consider your serious

1547
00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:32,400
[Music]

1548
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:42,840
it wasn't a tic-tac

1549
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,870
[Music]

1550
00:57:13,850 --> 00:57:04,720
it's very smooth

1551
00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:17,510
[Music]

1552
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:20,030
so

1553
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,850
thank you